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With the exception of a couple of schools (e.g. NYU and MIT), all departments accept several more people than they hope to enroll. It's not uncommon for schools to accept twice as many students as they expect to enroll. So even if someone (or multiple people) post having declined your school of choice, I'm not sure what this tells you.
"all departments accept several more people than they hope to enroll"

Almost every department that I know of accepts exactly as many students as they have allotments for. That's why those schools have waitlists. In fact the one school I know of that does over admit, Emory, got burned a few years ago when every student accepted.

my results

Anonymous

April 11 2009, 14:57:46 UTC 8 years ago

I am applying to transfer out of the PhD program at the University of Florida, whose woes you are probably all aware of. I declined a funded offer at Florida State University and an unfunded (I think wait listed for funding) offer at Arizona State University in 2007 to come here. I am on fellowship here; unfortunately, we have lost or are slated to lose 5 of 16 professors since I joined, and no new hiring is expected for several years. I had eight rejections in 2007, some of which I applied to again this year. My GRE scores are 670 verbal/800 math/5.5 analytical writing (from 2004). My GPA here is 3.45. I had 3.47 at University of Maryland (undergraduate) with 3.73 in philosophy. I was shut out in 2005, which was my first attempt (six programs). The (R) is for repeat (I applied before). My area should be obvious from where I applied.

Rejections
Bowling Green State University (R)
Florida State University (R)
Georgetown University (R)
Michigan State University
Northwestern University
Pennsylvania State University
Syracuse University
University of California Riverside
University of Colorado (R)
University of Virginia (R)
University of Washington
Washington University in Saint Louis (R)

I was accepted a second time at Arizona State University, whose graduate director said there would probably be no funding available for incoming students this year. I plan to decline if that is true. I am on the wait list at the University of Minnesota - initially number 15 for 6 openings (this week I heard that I had moved up to number 12). I would accept Minnesota if it comes through.
Good luck!
You have as many rejections as I do.....
I did my undergrad work at a less than prestigious state school, finishing with a 3.8 GPA in philosophy and graduating with University Honors and Honors in Major. I went on to pursue an MA at a pretty highly regarded state school (as far as terminal MA programs go), and will likely finish with a 3.95 or so. My GRE scores are: 700 verbal, 490 quant. (pathetic, I know), and 5 analytic writing. A couple of my recommenders are well known in their fields, and I'm sure their letters were enthusiastic.

My interests are primarily in 20th century continental philosophy, with some cross-over into analytic philosophy of mind. I really want to focus on contemporary phenomenology, Heidegger, aesthetics, and theories of synaesthetic perception. My results for this application season are as follows:

Boston College - Rejection
Fordham - Rejection
Stony Brook - Rejection
Penn State - Rejection
Emory - Rejection
New Mexico - Rejection
Riverside - Waitlist
Kentucky - Accepted, fully funded

I really thought I would have fared better in this whole business. I suppose the real killer must have been my absolutely dire GRE quantitative score, but I was told that the verbal score is really the one that counts, so I wasn't too worried. I was informed that my spot on the waitlist at Riverside isn't exactly promising, so I just went ahead and accepted at Kentucky. At least I got in somewhere! That is the aim, right?

Mark Alznauer, who worked with Pippin at Chicago, is joining the Northwestern faculty. It seems that Northwestern is really building itself up as a top place for epistemology (Goldberg, Ludlow, Lackey, Reed, Cariani), moral/political (Kraut, Ebels-Duggan, Garthoff), and German philosophy (Lafont, Zuckert, Alznauer). While much of its value theory crew is young, they are rising stars.

I have heard that they want to make another senior hire, too. It will be interesting to see how high Northwestern rises on the next PGR.
With all due respect, I wouldn't get too excited about the Alzauer hire at Northwestern. It's not like he is Robert Pippin himself, or even remotely near Hegel scholars like Houlgate, Stern, K. Westphal and Williams. I doubt his hire will have any impact on the PGR and the area ranking in German Idealism.

my results

Anonymous

April 11 2009, 17:03:39 UTC 8 years ago

I'm coming right out of undergrad from a very good public university. overall GPA: 3.95, philosophy GPA: 3.95. GRE: verbal-680, quant-720, AW-4.5. I think both my letters and writing sample were decent, but not outstanding. I'm interested in epistemology, ethics, and philosophy of religion (I must work on narrowing down my main interests). results:

Rejected:
Yale
Oxford
Notre dame (damn!!)
U. of Arizona
Brown
U. of California-Santa Cruz (what the hell?)

Wait-listed:
Georgetown
Syracuse

Accepted:
Florida State (w/funding; declined)
Rochester (w/funding; declined)
Boulder(w/funding; declined)
Madison (w/funding; I accepted)

I was hoping to do better than this. don't get me wrong, I know I'm blessed to have a choice between several very good schools. but a couple profs and grad students were convinced that I deserve to be in a top program...sigh, shame, disappointment, I let them down.

But I'll get over it. GO BADGERS!!
Don't be too hard on yourself. Even for quality students the process is a crap-shoot. I know of someone last year who was accepted (first round) at Cornell but waitlisted at Purdue. There are million other anecdotes like that.

Not that you need to hear any of this; I'm sure you are well aware. I hope that you enjoy your studies at W-Madison!

Re: my results

Anonymous

8 years ago

Re: my results

pro_persona

8 years ago

I posted some of this on the other board 5 weeks ago or so. But since I would have loved to have information like this 6 months ago, I will post it here for all to see. My main interests are in metaethics and epistemology.

Stats:

I went to a decent state school for my undergrad and am in a decent PhD program at a decent state school right now. I'm confident that my GRE and GPA made little impact on anything, but I'll post them anyway. GRE: 600 v/700 q/5.5 aw. These were from two years ago when I applied the first time. Because of family commitments in the summer, I had the choice to either work on philosophy or work on the GRE. I chose philosophy. GPA: 3.75 cum undergrad/3.9 philosophy undergrad, 3.96 grad.

I know that my letters were really good. I also had an outside letter. I also know that people liked my writing sample. I'm a fan of it as well.

Results:

Accepted

Princeton (accepted)
Brown (declined)
USC (declined)
UNC (declined)

Wait-Listed

Michigan (took my name off)

Rejected

MIT
Berkeley

Good luck to everyone!

Congrats again on an outstanding (and probably well deserved!) application season.

Best of luck in your future endeavors

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nailey13

8 years ago

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Anonymous

8 years ago

I am interested in pursuing ancient philosophy in the future for graduate school. I looked at the PGR and other websites, and have a decent idea of what schools have good programs with an ancient emphasis. I've talked with profs about it as well.

What schools would all of you recommend applying to this Fall (to start in Fall 2010)?

I come from a less prestigious school but have taken a good variety of philosophy classes and did well in them.
I am not really into Ancient philosophy that much, so I am afraid that I cannot be too helpful, but I did want to make sure to mention the Chicago-area programs (Northwestern, Chicago, and Illinois-Chicago) Graduate Consortium in Ancient Philosophy.

UNC news?

Anonymous

April 11 2009, 21:05:36 UTC 8 years ago

I see that a number of people have turned down UNC offers. Last year, Keith Simmons sent out an email around this time telling some people on the wait list that they were "very high" on the list and more likely to receive an offer. Have any UNC wait list people heard anything from Simmons on their status for this cycle?
Here's the discussion on from last year's Who Got In Philosophy:

http://community.livejournal.com/who_got_in/88132.html?thread=11051588#t11051588

I, for one, have not received an email like this.
3.9 GPA Philosophy, 3.8 cumulative. Prestigious state school.

GRE 620 V, 640 M, 5.5 AW.

Two strong letters from faculty, and one from a grad student. Probably a major strike against my application.

Writing sample on Heidegger.

Rejected:
McGill
SUNY Stony Brook
Emory

Wait listed:
Columbia
Fordham
Oregon

Accepted:
New School for Social Research
Are you going to take the offer from the NSSR?

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Anonymous

8 years ago

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Anonymous

8 years ago

Confused

Anonymous

April 11 2009, 22:46:16 UTC 8 years ago

I'm a bit confused by this whole April 15th thing. It seems that there are a lot of people such as myself who are in at one place, but are still holding out for possibly getting off waitlists. But if I get off a waitlist on, say, April 14th, do I have only one day to decide? And if I decide to accept the waitlist, then does the person who gets my spot at the place from which I withdraw have even less time?

It seems that if April 15th is the hard deadline for schools excepting people, there is way too much activity that needs to take place over the next 3.5 days. What detail am I missing?
Correction: Accepting

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8 years ago

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omgphilosophy

8 years ago

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8 years ago

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8 years ago

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Anonymous

8 years ago

I there are some good programs outside of the US, UK, Australia, and Canada. I wonder what the best places to study philosophy are, especially in the continental Europe. Plus, are there programs in continental Europe that are taught in English? (I know that English is the language of instruction at some Dutch universities)
Since a bunch of people seem to be doing so today, I may as well post my final results as well. I see no particular reason to be nervous about my anonymity at this point.

I got a BA in Philosophy at Rutgers. My overall GPA was not great (about 3.3), due to family/personal issues that interfered with my first few years of undergrad, which I devoted a large chunk of my personal statement to. I didn't describe them in any detail, for the sake of tact, but I explained that some pretty serious stuff had happened during my first few years, I took a couple of years off, and then I came back a couple of years ago and did really well, as reflected by my transcript. My philosophy GPA was 4.0, which, along with the submission and approval of an honors thesis, qualified me for departmental honors.

My GREs were pretty good, though I think about average for the top programs: 680 verbal, 760 quantitative, 5.5 writing.

I had letters from three really good people at Rutgers, although one of them is not particularly well-known compared to many of the faculty members there. I have no idea what my letters said, but I suspect they were pretty good.

My writing sample was on counterfactuals, particularly on the topic of "quasi-miracles" and the problems raised in recent papers by John Hawthorne and Alan Hajek. I sent it out to my letter writers for comments, which was helpful. It was good.

I didn't have too much else worth mentioning along the lines of achievements: I was on a committee that is chosen by faculty members each year from among senior philosophy majors to select a philosophy speaker to come and give a talk. I was also a contributing editor on the Rutgers undergraduate philosophy journal for one year. These are of modest distinction; nothing amazing.

Some schools asked for extra information such as CVs or a list of texts/papers read in courses. This may have been helpful for me since I read a fair amount of pretty advanced contemporary stuff, and I listed the courses I had taken and the instructor for each (which, coming from Rutgers, ended up being a pretty impressive list of philosophers).

In my personal statements, which I customized a little bit for some schools, I talked a little bit about why I wanted to be a philosopher, but mostly I talked about my interests within philosophy, spending a fair amount of time listing specific topics, issues, questions, etc. within those areas (it was recommended I do so (by a senior faculty member with experience on admissions committees) as a means of showing that I was advanced enough to be familiar with a lot of the more specific debates within my areas and that I knew more specifically what I might want to work on). I spent most of the rest of it explaining the aforementioned weirdness with my transcript.

I also took two graduate courses at Rutgers (within my primary AOI) and got an A in each, which probably helped me (and prepared me a bit for grad school, hopefully!). I mentioned this unabashedly in my personal statement.

My primary AOI are metaphysics and language, though I have strong secondary interests in most other core areas: epistemology, science, logic, and mind. I also have some interest in early analytic.

So here's how I did:
ACCEPTED: Stanford, Michigan, UT Austin, USC, and Princeton (in off wait list).
REJECTED: MIT, NYU, Rutgers, Yale, Columbia.
WAIT-LISTED: UCLA, Cornell, Princeton (initially; I got in a few days ago).

I've decided to go to Princeton. Before I got in off the wait list I had chosen Michigan over the other schools I was in because they seemed to be the best for my primary areas, though I strongly considered USC. There were also a few people at UM who I was particularly excited about working with. The choice between Princeton and Michigan was easy for me because of personal reasons (e.g. family, friends, and girlfriend being in the NYC area), but I think I would have been really happy at Michigan too in terms of the program. So Princeton it is!

I wish everyone on wait lists good luck. The last couple of weeks have been hell for me, and I'm still amazed I got in off the wait list. Obviously I'm elated as well. I hope this helps someone applying next year...
Congrats on your success. Another advantage of Princeton over Michigan (as I'm sure you know) is that you can easily take classes at Rutgers, NYU, Columbia, and CUNY. Hope you enjoy Princeton.

Re: Results

Anonymous

8 years ago

Re: Results

cmnichols

8 years ago

Re: Results

Anonymous

8 years ago

Right now I have 2 offers--1 from missouri-columbia and 1 from UIUC.

UIUC offered me 13.5 K and Missouri offered 12K, my interests are ethics and epistemology, so I'm slightly leaning towards Missouri, what are your guys thoughts, also do you think you can live off 12K in Columbia, MO?
UIUC's got no epistemologists.
This will be changing in the near future, but I don't know if you could quite get by with one epistemologist around. Then again, UIUC seems to be a good stepping-stone school, if you're thinking about transferring midway.

I've heard the cost of living in Columbia is quite low. Don't know about their strengths at all, though.

Re: offers and advice

Anonymous

8 years ago


Did anyone on here win a first year fellowship? If so, how much is it? Thanks.
Yup. 20k.
I just got an email from Christopher Morris offering me a funded position at College Park. I was originally 2nd on the waitlist. I am also high on the waitlist at Madison (which I would rather go to), so I will probably be waiting this out.
Hey cool - I hope to see you in Madison! :-)
I'm not completely sure about how to compare placement records. For instance, which is better: A program from which a few people got into the very top programs (Princeton, etc) but a large proportion decided not to go on in philosophy at all (do you think this should be seen as a red flag?) and some others went on to low-ranked or non-ranked Leiter programs, or a program from which a larger proportion of graduates got into fairly good but not quite as great schools?
I'm not sure this question can be answered well in the abstract, because it depends to some extent on the details surrounding the program. However, having done an M.A. at a Leiter top-3 terminal master's program, I can tell you this: Some people drop out of philosophy after an M.A. Some of these people were never sure they wanted to do philosophy, and an M.A. was a way to test the waters. Other people thought they wanted to do an M.A., and after living in poverty for a couple years on a grad stipend, decided that they want a better lifestyle.

So, I would not look too unfavorably on a program that has a large portion of students who decide not to go on. Do you know that only about 50% of people who begin PhD programs ever finish? You have to be willing to work your ass off, while living in poverty, and watching other (normal!) people go on to have "regular" lives--get married, buy a house, etc.

If the M.A. program is placing people in very top programs, it seems to me that this is what you want. The students who went on to PhD programs were the serious ones who are dedicated to philosophy. And the fact that those students got into top PhD program shows that this M.A. program can give you the advantage that you seek from an M.A.

Re: M.A. placement records

Anonymous

8 years ago

I haven't made my decisions yet but I guess I could still post my results.

International student from somewhere in Asia.
BS in Life Sciences in an internationally unknown school and currently working on MS in Psychology (perception and cog. neuroscience) in the best school in our country. No major in philosophy, but took advanced philosophy courses in phil. of science, mind and consciousness. I consider myself disadvantaged without any degrees in philosophy.

Starting from my junior year, I've been working with one of the best philosophers in our country on philosophy of consciousness and mind (learned all my philosophy from him), TAed in multiple philosophy courses, RAed in both philosophy and psychology, and presented in 4 international philosophy conferences. Done 2 month research project in the States. Additional activities include organizing international conferences, participating in social movements, organizing NGOs and leading several school sport teams, clubs and newspapers. Sometimes teach at community colleges.

Interests: philosophy of biology and mind
GRE: 600/800/5.5 GPA: 3.8
Sample paper topic on The Knowledge Argument (with feedback from one of my letter writers and a philosopher from Canada)
Letters: all enthusiastic, two philosophers and one psychologist

Rejected:
NYU
Rutgers
UCSD
Maryland
Toronto
Chicago
Chicago CHSS (materials transferred to the MA program but was rejected)
Pittsburgh HPS
Duke (my #1 choice, sigh)

Accepted:
Utah (no word of funding yet)
Missouri (w/funding & 1st year fellowship)
Georgia State MA (w/funding, waitlisted for B&B fellowship)

Waitlisted:
Minnesota (initially #12 and now #10, been 10 for a long long long time, looks like the possibilities of moving up seem to be quite low now)

I've been extremely worried about lack of degrees and courses (esp. in metaphysics, epistemology, etc.), furthermore, my scientific background doesn't seem to be much of a plus to a lot of schools though GS loved it. I wonder how they take the philosophical presentations at conferences?

Another thing is...there's more people like me from where I came from. I wonder what kind of advise I could give them to aid them overcome the disadvantages of coming from the middle of nowhere with letters nobody knows.
I think you should re-apply after finishing your MA in the US.You can be accepted by a much better school.
May I ask which country? China?

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Anonymous

8 years ago

Re: More results

Anonymous

8 years ago

So it doesn't look like I'm going to be getting into a top-20 program this year. But I do have some offers from schools that are lower ranked (high-20's to low-30's.) I'm curious to hear from those of you who are transferring programs what your experience has been like. How was transferring looked upon from the faculty in the department you were transferring out of? Were they willing to write you letters? Also, how far into your program were you before you decided to transfer? Was there a specific reason for transferring (e.g., faculty leaving) or were you always planning on trying to move up to a higher ranked school?
I heard from some (rather unreliable) sources that departments might reject a candidate that they considered extremely likely to get into a better school. Does anyone know if this is true?
so far as i know, there's every reason to think that this is true. in some cases, even well-matched applicants may be disadvantaged if it seems clear they'll get another offer which they'll preferentially accept.
Were you at the prospective weekend? (I was.)
if you are like me, waiting on 3 waitlists to top 25 schools, with no current offers, you are both excited and very nervous about the next 3 days.

good luck to all, may the best man (there aren't women philosophers are there?) win
Last night, flipping through some old pics of past great philosophers, I thought...well...what the hell... in the long run, it's gonna be the straight Victorian white males that's gonna win this philosophy game.
I have already rejected offers from Colorado, Miami, and UCSB and taken my name off the WL at Northwestern. I am deciding between UT Austin and Indiana. I'll let you know when I make my decision.
What are your areas of interest?

Gulp!

Anonymous

April 13 2009, 01:25:26 UTC 8 years ago

Get ready for tomorrow and Tuesday folks! Things are going to get crazy!

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Anonymous

April 13 2009, 01:33:12 UTC 8 years ago

I predict little action until Wednesday morning. Then the deluge.

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Anonymous

8 years ago

I am between two offers at the moment, My first choice comes without much funding and my second choice comes with a great deal of funding. If I won a SSHRC I'd be in a good position to go to the one without much funding, but they haven't announced the results yet! Anyone (fellow Canadians) have any idea when SSHRC will get back to us?
Hope this gets someone off the waitlist.
where are you going instead?

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Anonymous

8 years ago

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Anonymous

8 years ago

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Anonymous

8 years ago