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Had I known I will be doing philosophy four years ago, I'd have gone to NYU instead. They offered financial aid too!
It's an interesting question whether going to an undergrad school with a strong philosophy department is better than going to a better-ranked undergrad school with a weaker philosophy department. Leiter recommends choosing a school that's strong for undergrad overall, but on the other hand, wouldn't your letters carry a lot more weigh if they were from famous philosophers? For example, would it be better to go to Rutgers or Washington University in St. Louis for undergrad? One's got a stronger phil dept but is weaker overall for undergrad, while the other has a waker phil dept but is stronger overall for undergrad.

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Anyone have a *general* idea of how long wait-lists are at top-20 programs (I know it differs for each school, but maybe there is some consensus)?

I'm wait-listed at one I really want to attend, and I would like to know how many people I will have to kill before April 15 [joking, obviously]. The school said the list was "short" but I don't know what that means (3, 5, 8?).

Any insight would be appreciated.
Nope! Not joking! The FBI has been notified of this page and will probably track you down by your IP address.

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Anonymous

March 7 2009, 16:19:26 UTC 7 years ago

i know for a fact one top 25 school had a waitlist that went to about 15, but apparently even that length can be exhausted. hard to understand really

Anonymous

March 7 2009, 17:57:02 UTC 7 years ago

Is that school named Michigan?

Anonymous

7 years ago

I've had several people not specifically familiar with the way philosophy admissions work suggest to me that I should write letters to departments that I am interested in that I have been waitlisted at. Is this a good idea? I don't have anything to update them on as far as my resume/grades/GREs go so I don't really know what I would say other than that I am still very interested in going. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
I'm sure they believe they've given you all the information you need. I wouldn't recommend writing.

We saw a very few number of acceptances, I was sort of expecting more action from CUNY this year...
No rejection here--I would suspect no one has been rejected yet, because generally at schools of CUNY's caliber the grad cafe gets flooded once rejections go out.

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Does anyone have any thoughts on the quality of Cornell's program?
It's the greatest program ever. Also, it's in Ithaca.

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Anyone have info on when these will go out? Not holding out much hope for a waitlist, but at this point even being notified of rejection would be fine, just to have this whole process of hearing back officially over and done with.
I know someone who has been wait-listed.
It's now looking that my top two offers will be from a mid-ranked Ph.D. program (Leiter 20-30 in the U.S.) and Tufts' M.A. My impression is that Tufts is quite strong, and its placement record indicates this. There certainly are people at both schools with whom I would like to work.

That said, I also sent to a few long-shot schools (Pitt, Michigan, and the like) and probably would stand a much better shot with a Tufts M.A. But it's very much a gamble, and the finances of the Tufts offer almost certainly will not be nearly as good.

Anybody been in a similar spot? I question the intelligence of jeopardizing a very strong Ph.D. offer for a 'risky' M.A. I wouldn't consider it if it weren't Tufts. (Even then, Tufts' placement indicates many students wind up at comparably ranked, or worse-ranked, schools, so it's not even sure I would stand to improve my situation two years down the road. The program's size also somewhat deters me. But I know Tufts has a strong reputation and cannot help but take it seriously for that reason alone.)
You should ask yourself: what will I achieve at a #10 school that I won't at a #25 school? If you can go to the #25, get a job afterwards, and learn how to do good work, why would you take the risk? Besides, by the time you graduate, your #10 might fall to #18 and so forth.

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Anonymous

7 years ago

To everyone out there with an offer from Indiana:

What other options are you currently looking at?

Do you think you will accept the Indiana offer? Or is it likely that you will turn it down?

I ask because I am on the wait list at Indiana. It is my top choice out of programs that are still in play for me.

(BTW, I've been accepted at Florida State and Michigan State. So, if someone would be kind enough to open up a spot for me at Indiana, I'll be able to return the favor at Florida State and Michigan State. Also, I haven't heard from John Hopkins yet, but I will immediately pull my application from there if I get into Indiana.)

-N.b.e
Hey, were you at the FSU visit weekend? I ask because I was. If so, what did you think?
I got a letter in the mail telling me I am a "finalist" on the wait list. It makes me feel like I've already won something!

-r
just wait until they bring you that giant check...so you can live in New York and all.

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attualista

7 years ago

Hello,
I received a letter informing me that I was on the MIT waitlist. I was wondering if anyone knew how many people were placed on their waitlist. Thanks.
...I guess things are pretty much wrapping up for the year. Though I have still yet to hear from most of my schools (probably because I'm toast).
We're still waiting to hear back from UCLA and Columbia, which are big ones, and probably some others, and lots of people are still on wait lists. I want to see what happens on or around April 15th, 16th, 17th, when people are forced to make decisions. Particularly because I'm on the wait list at Princeton.

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ffahog

7 years ago

So why has everybody been trash-talking Michigan? I'm curious, because I've seen a lot of jokes at their expense but not a lot of reasons why. Somebody said something about their placement record, which doesn't look too bad to me if you compare it to other schools (other than NYU). Other than that, I haven't seen any real reason why Michigan isn't an amazing school. Somebody (maybe the same person) said they were higher on the Leiter rankings than they should be, but they never supported the claim. So what's the deal? They look pretty good to me, unless you're into continental or something stupid like that.
I did a numerical comparison with two other programs that I've been accepted at (Rutgers and Pitt HPS). Here are the figures (rounded to the nearest % point):

Rutgers (1998-2008):
% of grads getting initial TT jobs: 63%

Pitt HPS (1998-2007):
% of grads getting initial TT jobs: 61%

Michigan (1998-2008):
% of grads getting initial TT jobs: 49%

Doing the same for just the last five years, the respective figures are Rutgers 65%, Pitt HPS 68%, Michigan 56%. So Michigan has done a little better in the last five years relative to their previous performance, but still worse than two other programs by a margin that I doubt is due to noise.

-T.W.

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I'm probably visiting Ohio State on Thursday or Friday. Anyone else doing an OSU campus tour sometime soon, or has anyone else taken one? If so, what'd you think?
I presented at a conference at OSU, and was really quite taken with it. Great faculty, and really smart, interesting grad students. If it were located in a large city (which would provide my spouse with the needed research avenues), I would have applied there myself.

In particular, I met Tim Schroeder and Justin D'Arms, both of whom are quite brilliant and generous with their time.

Hope that helps!

dh
Hi folks,
Does anyone second the advice above about emailing to express one's enthusiasm? Have a similar experience? Or have good reason to disagree with this sort of approach?
I've heard that in other disciplines writing and expressing enthusiasm as described above is quite normal and indeed expected...I should add that I've seen this done first hand in at least one other discipline, and whether or not it 'sealed the deal' in that case, it was definitely part of a success-story.
But for some reason I was under the impression that playing the enthusiasm card is not so much a part of the philosophy application process (and/or game...!)... Maybe I'm wrong about that though..??
Any thoughts very much appreciated....
I'm in wait-list hell..!! (Like so many others, I'm sure!)
:) thanks :)
It might be good to let schools at which you are waitlisted know where else you have offers. This might make you both look like a more desirable candidate, and suggest to them that if they want you they better act fast. (Most waitlist e-mails ask you to keep the department updated, so letting them know where else you have been admitted seems natural.)
Anyone heard back from these yet??
Haven't heard a peep about Marquette on this board or on GC. Anyone know anything at all about Marquette? It sounds to me like they haven't even made offers yet.

Catholic U has had some rejections / acceptance postings on GC but the acceptances noted funding info wasn't going out yet. I have an acceptance there but am dying to hear funding info. Has anyone heard about it?
I was accepted to Marquette's MA program almost a month ago. I got an email telling me to check my application status,etc. However, Marquette is just too expensive for being an unranked school and I don't think that it would be wise for me to go there for an unfunded MA.

I have a friend who was accepted to CUAs theology program last week; however, as usual with CUA, he wasn't given any information about funding/ta-ship etc...as of yet that is. I've heard that they tend to accept many more people than they can actually fund, which is crazy considering how expensive both CUA and DC are!

By chance are you interested in medieval?

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ffahog

7 years ago

From Leiter's blog:
"I can report, based on accumulated anecdotes over many years, that some departments are really exceptional for how pleasant they are as places to do graduate study: faculty are engaged, kind, supportive, committed, and professional in their interactions with students. Arizona, North Carolina, MIT, UC Riverside, and U Mass/Amherst"

Which schools are known for being exceptionally unpleasant?
Warning from a current grad student: When I went on prospective visits, one of the things I was most struck by was that at every school, the students vehemently denied the nasty rumors I'd heard about their program (and seemed sincere). I got the impression that rumors about places being hostile towards women, being extremely competitive, and so on were largely based on things that were true 5-10 years ago. It is, of course, worth probing to find out whether the bad things you hear from other students and on the internet accurately represent the program today. But until you have direct confirmation of these things, take them with several grains of salt.

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Missouri

Anonymous

March 8 2009, 22:58:01 UTC 7 years ago

For those waiting on any info from Missouri, I found out today that there is a ranked waitlist that they are working through. Professor Weirich said that the department anticipates moving "substantially" into it, as would be expected. I am about 5 spots down the list, for which he estimated 50/50 odds.
I'm seeking any advice here. From the set: Penn, UCSD, Notre Dame, and Georgetown, which would you pick if your interests were political philosophy, ethics, and legal philosophy?

I keep going around and around, and I can't even seem to roughly rank them, much less pick a no. 1. (Or at least a putative no. 1, pending further in-person discussions.)
UPenn. Ive heard great things about the program/atmosphere overall. and the campus is beautiful.

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Hi all,

I have had conversations with people on 3 different admissions committees (all top PGR schools) and here is my impression of how to apply to grad school:

First, have good enough GRE scores and grades to get you past the first round cut. This means have excellent GREs and grades.

Second, if you make it thru the first round (i.e. get into the top 60 or so applicants) You must have good letters and writing sample. These are the two single most important factors in determining your success.

Getting into phi grad school is extremely competitive and you are competing with a group of undergrads that score the best overall of any major on GREs, so good GREs are not going to do much for you.

If you need to make a decision whether to put more time into getting slightly better GRE scores or doing extra revisions on the writing sample, I think the latter is far more important. However, if your GRE scores are lower than 85% percentile in any area (with the possible exception of quant), you need to work on these.

I don't knw if this is helpful, but I thought I would share.
this is what worked for me:
GRE's: Just try to get above 1350 or so. There is no way you need to get above 85 percentile on the QUANT.

Writing sample.. polish, polish polish polish polish polish and make it clear, clear clear.
It also helps to become friends with the professors who will be writing your recs. (not just the normal teacher/student relationship)
Start your GRE/writing sample the summer before you apply. I had my writing sample finished during the summer and then spent all of fall semester polishing/rewriting it. this really helped

Roundup

Anonymous

March 9 2009, 01:40:56 UTC 7 years ago

So who got offers/WL and from where?

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Anonymous

March 9 2009, 01:52:45 UTC 7 years ago

So far I have two top-10 offers, two top-20 offers, one top-25 offer, and one top-10 waitlist. I have declined one of the top-20 offers, and I have withdrawn my application from two schools. I have been rejected by two top-ten schools, and expect rejections from two more (because those admitted seem to have already heard). There are still two schools out there that haven't breathed a word, so I don't have any expectations, positive or negative.

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7 years ago

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7 years ago

I know it was mentioned that these two schools will be notifying admits this week. I was hoping, though, that someone might have even more specific information.
Good luck with what looks to be the last big week!
UCLA tomorrow. Columbia Thursday.

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Anonymous

7 years ago

Tufts

Anonymous

March 9 2009, 06:42:49 UTC 7 years ago

Just received my rejection at Tufts.

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March 9 2009, 08:10:30 UTC 7 years ago

Via email? or post mail?

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Just received a call from Avery Goldman tonight about being on what sounded like a short waiting list. Anybody with an offer at DePaul, please try to make a decision as soon as you can! Thanks...