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Philosophy 2010

This is for anyone applying to Philosophy graduate programs during the 2009-2010 academic year. Please share acceptances, rejections, wait-list notifications, and so on.

Best of luck to everyone applying!
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Anonymous

August 23 2009, 23:18:10 UTC 7 years ago

WOOHOO!!!!!!!!

Anonymous

August 25 2009, 07:49:59 UTC 7 years ago

In case anyone happened upon this thread before it was rebooted, I just wanted to let everyone know that this is THE place to be for philosophy phd app season. Rest assured, things will pick up soon, its still fairly early.

Tradition has it that prospective forum frequenters create an introduction piece detailing their academic profile and a list of their targeted schools. ive decided to wait a year to apply, so I wont be giving my personal intro just yet, but I just wanted to encourage people to start sharing.

Good luck everyone!

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Hello all,

I was an applicant last year, and I started a private board called philprospectives for those people who got into places or were wait listed. Making it private eliminated trolls and allowed people to speak more openly. It also facilitated contacting people considering the same schools. As far as I know from the people I've met who were using it actively, the board helped people make a more informed decision.

Anyway, I'm done (thankfully) with admissions forever and would thus like to pass administrative duties for philprospectives to someone else. If you'd like to do it, then please contact me via private message. Thanks and good luck!
I'd like to come out in support of the philp board as a useful addition to wgi. It helped me make my decision last year.

Anonymous

September 4 2009, 07:58:07 UTC 7 years ago

Hello!

You all ready for this?!

Just found the site tonight, been doing a lot of reading from '09 and '08. Feeling anxious, but pumped.

I'll come back with an intro once I choose a handle.

Good luck everyone!

I'm not quite done narrowing down the institutions to which I'd like to apply, but generally speaking my interests are in HPS.

Right now I'm at the stage where I'm picking out a writing sample in order to begin polishing, I have three professors who will offer me strong recommendations (though I may reconsider one or two of them since they are not philosophy faculty) and I still haven't taken the GRE.

I hope this community turns out to be as useful this time around as it seems to have been in the past!

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September 9 2009, 23:40:55 UTC 7 years ago

I must say, the process of looking through every professor's publication list is really making me despise "cute" article titles and value the plain, headline style titles.

Anonymous

September 10 2009, 00:59:01 UTC 7 years ago

Well, maybe if you actually read the articles, you'll find they're quite "cute" after all...

Anonymous

7 years ago

Which philosophy departments do you consider to be the most naturalistically oriented? I'm interested in hearing your thoughts. To give you an example of a department that I think to be naturalistically oriented: Rutgers.
Definitely Pitt HPS would fit into this category.
Who’s ready to begin the life sucking, soul corroding process that is applying to philosophy grad Programs?
Who’s ready to begin for the second time?

All the applicants currently in an MA program: let me hear some noise!


I'm starting for the second time, but only because I didn't get a funded offer last year. I actually have money this time, though, so I can apply to more than 5 schools!

Good luck everyone. First timers: I know everyone tells you this, but: WORK ON YOUR WRITING SAMPLES.

-I

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7 years ago

Have any of you finalized your picks yet? I just calculated that it would cost me nearly $700 in application fees alone were I to go ahead and apply to all the ones on my "short list." Yikes.

Yeah so me I'm still in the research and weigh my options phase.
I've finalized (ish) my picks. I haven't actually added up the price it's going to be, but it'll be ugly. Say 70 average, then ~17 schools, so that's 1190, and then there's still the GRE score reports (less 4, because 4 were free, and less 2, for the schools that don't want them). Expensive, but I want to apply to a wide range of places.

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7 years ago

Anyone want to discuss whether or not (and why) they listed specific faculty members on their SOP? I want to taylor my SOP to each school, but I'm hesitant to list who I'd be interested in working with (since I haven't read the works of many of the faculty at the departments I'll be applying to).

Besides, isn't it obvious from my own stated interests (assuming they don't change) who I'd be interested in working?
Well, I think it could help it sound like you are interested in the dept, but if it's done in a cheesy way it could hurt. If you have specific interests that line up directly w/ interests of people on the faculty, then say that. If it's a stretch, I'd avoid doing it.

At the end of the day, the SOP really doesn't mean that much (from what I can tell) in terms of whether you'll be admitted. Basically, it seems that it can hurt you (e.g., if you come off sounding crazy, desperate, etc.), but it will not help you very much. Your writing sample, GRE, GPA and other things count way more toward whether or not you'll be admitted.

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Anonymous

7 years ago

Here's my tentative list of schools. I'm interested in empirically informed moral psychology. What do people think?

Rutgers
Yale
Michigan
UNC
Arizona
Duke
Washington
Maryland
Ohio State
Though I don't know much about your area, by the looks of it, you've only selected top programs. If you're confident about your ability as a philosopher or are very wedded to the idea of only going to one of these schools (or not going at all), I would suggest perusing the lower ranks of the Leiter list and adding a few 30-50 ranked schools (of course assuming they have faculty with your interests). You need to realize that it's really really tough to get into grad school, especially in philosophy, and that it's better to be pleasantly surprised when a top pick (or any pick) comes through, than heartbroken when you have to wait another year to apply.

Also, you should really think about adding some MA programs to the list.

Good luck to you!

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7 years ago

FYI

I don't know if other departments do this. But at Duke they post Admissions and Enrollment Statistics, Completion Rate Statistics, Time to Degree Statistics, and Placement Statistics. Very useful and interesting.

Go to:
http://gradschool.duke.edu/about/stats.php

And scroll down to philosophy.
Has anyone gotten any advice on whether or not to include an abstract in your writing sample? Let's say we are talking about a sample that is roughly 15 pages.It seems like an overwhelmed adcom member might appreciate the brief overview of what's going on in the sample. Any thoughts?

I don't think it's necessary to include a separate abstract. If your paper is well structured, it should should have a short introduction section that will serve to clue the reader in on what to expect.

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October 2 2009, 15:43:39 UTC 7 years ago

What do people think about contacting potential advisors? It seems to be pretty common in some disciplines (psychology) and even some humanities (english, history). I haven't been able to find much advice on it for philosophy in particular, thoughts?

Anonymous

October 6 2009, 21:59:37 UTC 7 years ago

My college professors said that it's highly unlikely to do you any good. Given how low acceptance rates are, they'd rather wait and see if you actually get in through the official admissions process before engaging in any serious communication. It's highly unlikely that any given applicant emailing them would be part of the 5% or so admitted, so they'd rather not waste their time responding to such emails.

Some professors might still respond out of politeness, but it's not going to increase your chances of admission.
Hello folks. I am new around here, and have been up all night reading old entries from the previous class. I am hoping for a little advice. Here's where I am at:

My overall GPA is a nominal 3.4 because my first two years were not good for me. I am a "non-traditional" student in that I left college for 6 years to play in a rock band :). Since I've been back, I have done much better (major GPA 3.9). Recently I have decided to pursue further studies in Philosophy. I am currently finishing up an interdisciplinary degree program entailing religious studies and applied ethics. I am not at a great school, but rather a lower ranked (50ish -PGR) state university. My writing is relatively strong. We have no well known philosophers at my school and so my letters of rec. while laudatory, will probably not bear much weight. My GRE score was unfortunately only 1300. (680 V; 620Q).

Now for the question. Does this pretty much put me out of the running for any top 20 phd programs?

I am considering retaking the GRE's, but I don't think I will do substantially better without some tutoring in math, which might take some time, time that I don't have at the moment.

Second questions: Is it wise to take a year off to improve my application, particularly my GRE score? I have heard differing accounts on this. Or would two years pursuing an M.A. be more beneficial? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

You should pursue an MA at a good program if you are really serious about this (and can afford it, etc.)

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October 5 2009, 19:19:01 UTC 7 years ago

If you're hell bent on getting into a top-20 school, yea, you're probably better off either waiting a year or going to a Leiterific MA program (assuming, of course, your writing sample doesn't knock people out of their socks).

A 1300, an interdisciplinary degree, and some time off to play in a rock band may bring up some questions. Obviously, this isn't to say not to take a shot down the field, just that, maybe a year or two more of philosophy might make a big difference in where you get admitted.
Hi All,
I'm a senior at a well known liberal arts college. My major is an interdisciplinary social science/philosophy program. I'm interested primarily in political philosophy, with additional interests in the philosophy of law, ethics, and the philosophy of social science. I have a 4.0 gpa, 1540 GRE, and 3 strong LOC from philosophers who are known, but not "stars" (actually, one of them is a political theorist, but he writes on philosophical topics). My writing sample is going to be on the burdens of judgment in Rawlsian political liberalism.
Here's my tentative list, open to suggestions. This is a list of dream schools, my plan is to apply again next year if I get shut out:
Harvard
Michicagan
NYU
Princeton
Stanford
UNC, CH
University of Arizona
Oxford
Yale
Brown

I'm also applying to a few political theory schools (probably Harvard, Princeton, Chicago)

Am I missing a school I should be including? Does anything seem out of place?

Thanks!
Oops, *LOR

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Do any seniors who are applying this year know if we're supposed to include 1st semester grades on the transcripts we send in? I don't know if I'll have mine in time?
At least one school has a little blurb on its website saying to submit what you can by the deadline, and then to submit your fall grades as soon as you get them.

Considering that some schools have a Dec 1 deadline, it's probably impossible for you to include your fall grades in the original application, and I doubt that they'd expect you to.

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Anonymous

7 years ago

Outside the top-10, which programs would you say are sticklers for high GRE scores?
Given its mediocre ranking, UC-Davis states that the average GRE score of admitted applicants in 2007 was 1427. This may not necessitate that they are sticklers for high GRE scores (could have some 1600 scores and some mid-1200s, I guess), but the average does seem unusually high given their ranking.

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Anonymous

7 years ago

I'm looking at MA as well as PhD programs: what do you think of 1 year MA programs? I would only do an MA if I struck out on PhDs- I want a PhD eventually. So, I would be using the MA to improve my application.

But with a 1 year MA, it would seem like applying next fall would be crazy- none of the profs would know me, I would have no MA grades yet. Thus I would do the 1 year MA, apply the next fall after completing it, leaving a gap of a year where I would need to... get a job, or something, so as not to starve.

Of course, the 2 year MAs avoid this problem. Get to know people in year 1, apply for the PhDs in year 2, transition smoothly to a PhD after year 2.

The one exception to this problem would be that 1 year MAs seem to frequently accept their graduates as PhD students, but then you're stuck at that institution.
It is possible to apply to PhD programs after just one semester at an M.A. program. However, there would be some concerns and restrictions. First, your performance in classes (and as a teaching assistant) would obviously need to be stellar. Second, you'd probably want one undergraduate letter writer on board with the plan so you don't have the pressure of needing to impress three new professors in the first semester. Third, term papers, which will hopefully impress potential letter writers, are often turned in at the end of the semester (though this might apply more to two-year programs. Because of this, it may be hard to apply to programs with early deadlines.

These thoughts are based on my experience of starting an MA program last spring, but planning to apply this round. I've of course had an extra semester to line things up, but I can see how it could be done in just one semester.

AW

Anonymous

October 13 2009, 18:09:41 UTC 7 years ago

How bad does a 4.5 on the analytical writing section hurt? The combined score of the other two sections is in the mid-upper 1300's.

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October 13 2009, 18:48:49 UTC 7 years ago

There's no way to say for sure. They might ignore it and care more about your sample, or they might be concerned because of cutoffs/competition for funding.

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October 15 2009, 23:18:19 UTC 7 years ago

Hi all. I’m currently in the PhD program at a ‘top 15’ school. However, it’s not very strong in my favorite area of interest. Given that last year when I applied I was waitlisted at a couple of the schools that are *very* strong in this area, I’ve been encouraged by a few people to think about re-applying to these programs this year and transferring if I get an offer. So I have a couple of questions. Firstly, given that this is my first semester in my current program, it would be hard to get a meaningful letter from one of my professors. Do you think my application will look bad if I don’t have any letters from professors at the program I’m looking to transfer from? Since applying last year, I’ve managed to get a referee who is well known and very well respected so I’m hoping this will negate the problem of not having a referee from my current program (if it is a problem). Also, do you think it’d be wise to mention my reasons for transferring in my SOP?

Cheers.

Anonymous

October 15 2009, 23:31:14 UTC 7 years ago

I think it might be strange if you didn't mention why you wish to transfer out of a top-15 program in your SOP.

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Hello, I am new around these parts and had some questions that I hope you folks might be able to help me with.

I would like to earn admittance to a top 20 PGR program but feel like my application is not quite up to par.

*Question 1: Would it be wiser to pursue an M.A. or spend just an additional semester (adding a relevant minor) taking a few more philosophy courses followed by some months off to retake the GRE and improve my writing sample?

Some factors I have been thinking about:

1) M.A. programs obviously have more advanced course work, but usually require 2 years.

2) Staying in undergrad would provide more federal grant money (because I'm poor) and I wouldn't have to move my wife and only to have to do it all over again.

3) I think it might be easier to work on my application doing more undergrad work as opposed to amidst immersion in graduate courses at an M.A. program.

*Question 2: Could it hurt (more than your wallet) to apply to programs, get rejected and then reapply? That is, do phd programs keep track of applicants and view it negatively if you have previously applied and been rejected?

Any thoughts? Thank you in advance.

It depends on your GPA so far and how good of an undergraduate institution you are attending. If your GPA isn't great or if you are at a middling undergraduate institution, you are better off going on to an MA program.

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7 years ago

Think I'd be shot for including four letters of rec in my application? I'm an a situation where I have a really great (professional) relationship with someone that's an "instructor". He has a philosophy PhD (and one that's from a program that's extremely competitive, actually) but he's not technically tenure track, etc (not an "associate professor"). I've taken 1 or 2 courses with him every year, so he's seen a lot more of my work than the other letter writers.

My other three letters would be from typical professors.
No, I doubt you'd be shot for it. ...Anyways, I think a lot schools allow for four or five letters of recommendation.

You could always email the respective DGS at schools which say only to send three recs and see what she says.

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So these programs don't require GRE scores. But do they accept them? Might it benefit applicants with especially high scores (1500+) to send them? Or would the committee members think the applicant was a dunce, a braggart, something worse? Advice from current students in the programs would be particularly helpful.

Thanks.
My guess is that those departments know what they're doing, and know that they could ask for the GRE scores if they wanted them. I am applying to both, and don't plan on sending them my (good) GRE scores (unless some grad student comes to tell us otherwise).

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How bad is it if my writing sample is 25 pages?
Very bad.

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7 years ago

Is anyone else submitting a history of philosophy writing sample? Have any current grad students done this? What were your results?

I'm submitting an interpretive paper on Plato (ancient is one of my AOI's), which mentions contemporary interpretations/critiques of the same subject. I'm hoping that my decision to do an interpretive paper isn't going to negatively impact on my results, and I didn't know if anyone had any insight into admissions committees' views on reading these types of papers.

It is an original interpretation: I describe what the interpretation is, pick out pieces of text that support it, show how Plato's argument functions given the interpretation, and then argue that contemporary criticisms of his argument miss the point given the interpretation. I think it's philosophically rigorous, but who knows.
Sounds fine... as long as you're right ;)

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