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Philosophy 2010

This is for anyone applying to Philosophy graduate programs during the 2009-2010 academic year. Please share acceptances, rejections, wait-list notifications, and so on.

Best of luck to everyone applying!
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BU

Anonymous

March 22 2010, 12:59:59 UTC 6 years ago

Maybe those who've been accepted to BU don't post on this board or on TGC? That would be distressing.

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Anonymous

March 22 2010, 13:38:33 UTC 6 years ago

Nevermind, there's a waitlist post on TGC.
What is wrong with them?! Seriously, can't they just send me an e-mail telling me I'm rejected? Do they really need to do this by postal service? Do they really need to rub me witht heir fancy paper, with the school's name on it, telling me I'll never be able to be part of them? Seriously? Is all that violence necessary?
Stanford's nice, thick paper has made a superb, long-lasting coaster. I look forward to Harvard's letter, so as to compare the qualities.

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Anonymous

6 years ago

NSSR MA?

Anonymous

March 22 2010, 15:23:45 UTC 6 years ago

I just got accepted into the New School's Terminal Master's program for Philosophy with a minor scholarship. The New School seems to fit my research interests well and I want to use the program to apply to PhD programs in the near future.

Does anyone have any idea on the placement information and/or academic reputation for this program?


Thanks in advance
Hi- I will probably be attending NSSR in the Fall (on the continuing MA though). From what I've heard from my professors New School is an excellent program for continental philosophy with some very good faculty. Also, it seems that almost every other school that I applied to had Ph.D. students who went to NSSR for their MA, so that sounds promising at least for someone thinking of moving on! Sorry I don't have any statistics or anything- good luck!

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j_afham

6 years ago

So.....where are the Oxford DPhil acceptances and rejections?

Has anyone been officially waitlisted at CUNY graduate center? I've now seen acceptances and rejections, but no waitlist...

*pathetic glimmer of hope*
Just posted a waitlist to gradcafe. Stephen Neale said via email they hope to have more info for wait-listers this week, and apologized everything is taking so long. He didn't mention anything about # on waitlist, though if I don't hear anything by the end of the week, I'll inquire for more info.

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6 years ago

Declining?

Anonymous

March 22 2010, 18:48:15 UTC 6 years ago

Anyone planning on declining Maryland, Syracuse or UC Davis? If so, what are your interests?
I just got an unsolicited, personal email that I have been put on the official waitlist for UWM. There was no specific information about the number of applicants, number of waitlisted, or when I can expect to hear anything. Very nice communication, though certainly not the most helpful. Posted on TGC
I just got the same email. I mean, sure, it was very sweet. But they certainly didn't go out of their way to say anything that would give me an idea of what being on the wait list means. Which I suppose means that I shouldn't hold my breath? I was kind of hoping to go to UWM, but I guess I'll go ahead and accept a different offer...

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I was rejected from the seven programs I applied to. I've just had a friendly discussion with the director of admissions of one of them. The main weakness of my application, he told me, was my lack of track record from the English-speaking academic system. I'm French and I've done all my studies in France, except for the current year visiting an Ivy League university (where I also applied, and where the director of admission works). Two of my letters were written by French philosophy professors, well-known in France and Europe (one of them is internationally known but not in the US), and who knew my work quite well. I know these were good letters. The third letter was written by a philosophy professor at the school I'm visiting, and was good as well. My track record in France is strong. I know my application had other flaws, among which maybe my writing sample. But I wasn't told about it and it seems that, regardless of that, my background was not sufficient. I would therefore strongly advise international students to seek support from professors who are actually known in the English-speaking academia, unless they already have a very strong analytic background. This factor may be underestimated, while it seems almost decisive. The committee, the professor told me, does not want to take risks. They do not know my professors, my schools were not assets to them.

I'm curious how other international applicants fared this season, and how they were prepared with respect to these issues.

Also, the committee of the aforementioned school recommended that I be admitted to their MA program. It's most likely that I will decline the offer, and head for writing my dissertation in France, with funding, where people know what my credentials are worth, and, unlike in the US, are interested in what happens overseas, namely here. Guess who's more international now.
I forgot to mention I already have a masters in philosophy in France, another masters in history of law ongoing, and I passed two highly demanding competitive exams.

Also, I'm not surprised I was shut out. I'm not shocked either. I totally understand the adcoms' reaction. I'm just a little disappointed.

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Credits

Anonymous

March 22 2010, 20:40:03 UTC 6 years ago

Would anyone know offhand how many credits/semester is standard for grad school in philosophy? At least for the purposes of making a rough tuition estimate (on the off chance that one doesn't receive funding).
I think 9 credits (3 courses) is the norm.
Any information on the acceptances/wait lists??
For what it's worth, all the responses(back to March 12, 2010) are from international students (and a "U" on TGC). So, maybe they will not accept Amrcans or they are not finished with offers...

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6 years ago

I'm having a difficult time getting a good idea of how these two schools compare to each other. Sure Tufts is the more prestigious of the two, but what exactly does that amount to when the opportunities available through NIU are also pretty legit?

Is Tufts worth about $10,00 in debt? It's not all that much... in the scheme of things. But is the school really all it's cracked up to be?

I'd much appreciate any opinions you might have on the subject!
(1)Tufts does not guarantee a better placement than NIU (see recent placements at Rutgers, UCSD, OSU)
(2) NIU is cheaper

That's my 0.02.

Also, I think Tufts is evil for making people take on debt.

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Originally posted on Philosopher's Anonymous.

Once a student bent on graduate school had her life cut short by a car accident. Her soul went to heaven, where St. Peter welcomed her. He asked her to wait just inside the gates for a moment while he made some arrangements. So she spent some time stretched out on the comfy clouds, playing her harp. She thought to herself that she would thoroughly enjoy heaven.

However, it seems students have a unique protocol: Each has to have a day in hell before choosing where to stay permanently. Although the student was convinced she would stay in heaven, she dutifully complied and went to hell for a visit. When she arrived, much to her surprise, she discovered a lush, verdant and beautiful world filled with many fellow students all decked out in gorgeous attire. They all rushed to embrace her, to talk about their interests and reminisce about the days when they were all alive.

That evening, they all ate the very best food. The night was filled with wine, song, dance and conversation. She met a man who referred to himself as 'Satan' but he was so charming that she had a hard time believing this was the prince of darkness himself. Indeed, the whole experience was so enjoyable that it was a surprise to find that it was already time for her to leave. They all said their goodbyes and she travelled back to heaven as she got on the elevator.

"Now you must choose where to stay forever.” St. Peter said. She replied without much hesitation, "Heaven is fine, but Hell sure seems like a whole lot more fun." So St. Peter sent her back to Hell.

When she arrived she found herself in a foul dump, knee-deep in filth. She saw the other students she with whom had had such a great time, looking forlorn and depressed, sorting through the filth. Then, the man who had called himself ‘Satan’ arrived, still smiling.

"What’s going on?” she asked, "I was just here yesterday and this was a beautiful paradise with food, fun and great conversation. Now it’s just a pile of filth and everyone looks so terribly depressed.”

Satan smiled. "Yesterday we were recruiting you. Now, you’re one of us.”

Duquesne

Anonymous

March 23 2010, 03:44:14 UTC 6 years ago

What is going on with Duquesne? I thought this week was THE week.
::groans:: I know! This is really starting to get ridiculous!
Hello. Badly bruised from this cycle, I stand with an offer to the (unfunded) MA program at BC. I have many fits of confusion on whether to make the decision (or, more correctly, take the risk) to plunge into debt for this program or wait for the next cycle. (I have two Ph.D. apps outstanding; though I maintain a "reasonable" head here.) Despite this new existential conundrum, one of a much different order than the one that had overcome me in the initial stages of anticipation (and then rejection), I have some growing excitement about this. I post this as an open question to anyone who has received any offer from BC as to whether they plan to attend. Keeping the previous posts in mind, I understand that departmental "status" of MA students, so, though potential Ph.D. admits are welcome to put in their word, I would like to hear from anyone who has decided, close to deciding, or, as it seems to be likely in my case, left without choice to attend the BC MA in the fall. Specifically, that is, interests, background, etc.
join the philprospectives board// there's a thread about this
Do schools often try to pressure us into making a decision at this stage in the game? I got an email from a DGS at one of the schools I've been admitted to, asking me whether or not I've made a decision, and requesting to talk over the phone. I, on the other hand, am waiting to hear from another school about funding. What's the best strategy for dealing with the impatient school?
I suspect that they want you on the phone in order to sell their program (or sell it again, if you have already spoken to them). They admitted you, so they must really want you.

I also supect that this is a pretty serious time of uncertainty for programs as well as applicants. They are interested in filling their spots with the best people, and if you are uncertain then they will want to talk with you. if you have already decided to attend somewhere else then that is good information for them too.

Pressuring you is bad form, and it really cannot be done. You have until April 15th. I would speak with them and delicately let them know, in a vague way, that you are still weighing your options.

Columbia

Anonymous

March 23 2010, 19:36:06 UTC 6 years ago

I know I'm late to this party - sorta a metaphor for my graduate applications as I was pretty naive and applied to three schools doing very little due diligence - but what is the status on Columbia if you haven't yet heard anything?
You might still be considered for the MA program.

Toronto

Anonymous

March 23 2010, 19:48:25 UTC 6 years ago

Looks like Toronto's (presumably second-round) rejections went out today. Oddly, the emails of everyone rejected were made public, since it was a mass email.

Last year, I got an erroneous acceptance email after receiving two rejections from them, but all three emails were private. Seems a titch callous, given that they waited so long to reply. But no matter.

Oh, and they confirmed that they had 320 applicants for their 12 (IIRC) spots.
My email made no reference to the number of spots available. Does that 320 figure include both PhD and MA applicants?

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What do people think of the 1 year MA at Toronto compared to the other prestigious MA programs being discussed here (Tufts, etc)?

TO is highly ranked, the MA is fully funded, but... is there a but?

Any inside info? Rumours heard through the grapevine?
The only but I can think of is that 1-years leave you in a bit of a lurch for applying- you'll probably have to take a gap year, since you won't know your new professors very well by the time you need letters from them (November).

Tufts is 2 years, which takes care of that. But then again, Tufts is not very well funded. Toronto's full funding is a plus.

Other thoughts: MA programs like GSU and NIU publish their placements, but I haven't seen placement statistics for Toronto MA students.

Anonymous

March 24 2010, 04:03:18 UTC 6 years ago

The above thread reveals at least two people with inside knowledge of what the program at Toronto is like.

TELL ME SECRETS.

Please?

Anonymous

March 24 2010, 04:06:45 UTC 6 years ago

Unsuccessful students are "processed" and turned into a leathery and super-nutritive substance used to feed top faculty and visiting dignitaries.

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I'm a graduate student in Philosophy at a "top-ten" Leiter department. I'm not involved in this year's selection round as a student.

I just wanted to say to you all that you should think twice about Princeton if you have been accepted. It's well known that many of the faculty, like Gil Harman, are extremely unpleasant. Beyond this, however, there are other notable unprofessional indiscretions that have been committed recently

(1) Nepotism is a regular occurrence within the department. Alexis Burgess/John Burgess. Harman/Harman.

(2) Affairs between faculty and graduate students. It is well known that Mark Johnston had an affair with Sarah Jane Leslie while she was a graduate student. The ensuing pregnancy and miscarriage led the Princeton faculty to give her a professorship. In most cases, degree-granting institutions don't offer professorships to their graduates.

This sort of moral flexibility from a department can be frustrating to grad students at Princeton like me who are doing everything right. They're ranking us the whole time and not on a wholly objective basis.....


Yikes ...

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Someone on TGC said that people are hitting reply all...out of morbid curiosity and no good reason, what kinds of things are they saying?
I've gotten three "reply all" responses from fellow rejects. The first was an intelligent, kindly worded, mildly indignant suggestion that the applicants' privacy rights were being violated and that future emails be BCCed. The third was some flippant remark not worth remembering. The second, however, is noteworthy for its brazen inanity, so I will quote it here in full:

Dear Margaret,
I am going to take this opportunity to request, in the virtual presence of many future philosophers, that the University of Toronto would be good enough to send rejection notices on paper and only on paper from henceforth. As you mentioned, the news is a disappointment to all on this list, as the application process entailed a not-significant investment of time and money. I somehow doubt that the $100+ we forked over comes up just 50 cents short of covering a return letter. Toronto is far from alone in following this practice; another top-flight school sent an email and had the audacity to mention that if we wanted a paper letter as well, they would be happy to provide one. Salt in wounds, indeed.
I am aware that you are not the one responsible for setting this process. Perhaps it is even out of control of the Philosophy Department. If so, call this a lone cry against the technologizing of human relations. If the department has a say, please relay my dismay at their lack of decency in conveying what is obviously difficult news. The US Army sends a Major, not an email, to report a casualty. Some echo of that would be appreciated. Thanks for your time.
Philosophically,
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I would like to formally propose that we rename the period between the last first-round acceptances going out and the first week in April "Stupid Season", an annual two week period during which people post impossibly stupid shit like "ZOMG Princeton is a cesspool (I am definitely not waitlisted there!)" and, well, almost everything else posted within the last week.

It never ceases to amaze me that people who are by all other measures very intelligent can't keep the drool off of their keyboards when we enter a brief lull when no useful information will be coming out.
Princeton doesn't have a waitlist, afaik, so there's no special motivation for the recent attacks.

I agree with the general message of your post.
Anyone here get in this year to St. Louis? What kind of background did you have? Did you have an MA finished? Languages? What kind of GRE score? Just wondering what it takes to be competitive to their program for next year. Thanks!
Sorry, I know I'm supposed to respond on the above thread, but let me just say that the person who wrote the above comment about Princeton has absolutely no idea what s/he was talking about.

In my opinion, Gil Harman is the nicest, most pleasant member of the department. He returns my emails extremely quickly, he's always jovial, he's always asking how I'm doing, he's extremely helpful and attentive, and I have never ONCE seen Gil act unpleasantly. It's simply not in his nature. Calling Gil unpleasant is about as misinformed as claiming that Nietzsche was a ditzy bubbly valley-girl. The same goes for the other members of the department: I have never had an unpleasant experience with other members of the department (although I will say I have not worked with every member of the department, so I'm unqualified to speak for everyone).

In general, let me say: we're all adults here. We can all make informed decisions about where to go to grad school without people making slanderous, uninformed accusations from hear-say. If a professor at university X says to you 'Don't go to department Y because they're awful,' there is an extremely good chance that the professor is biased and not a good source of accurate information. Here's something obvious: If you want to know what a graduate program is like, VISIT THE PROGRAM AND ASK THE GRAD STUDENTS, don't listen to uniformed slander on online forums.

****HERE ARE TWO PROPOSALS FOR THIS FORUM****
1) IF YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER OF A DEPARTMENT, YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO MAKE ACCUSATIONS BASED ON HEARSAY ABOUT WHAT GRADUATE LIFE IS LIKE IN THAT DEPARTMENT. SO DO NOT MAKE THEM.
2) PLAY NICE, EVERYONE.
I don't see why you have to be a member of a department to make an assessment of what the department is like. I'm taking advice from other people in my current department about where to go.

Also the poster in the other thread mentioned unpleasant faculty as one thing about Princeton. What is your feeling on the pregnancy/tenure-track thing and the nepotism thing? The graduate student affair thing is a little offputting and seems unprofessional.

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March 24 2010, 18:59:41 UTC 6 years ago

"Non negligeble"? How douche-y are they?! They're basically telling those bottom groups that they will be rejected, but giving them a kernel of false hope. Like I said, I'm in the top thirteen (I have a feeling Im toward the bottom of that group though no info) and I was told it was possible but "doubtful". They only had 120 applicants (I asked the department assisstant a while ago)! If they are waitlisting 39 people and admitting ~10, that's a large percent of the applicant pool. No way will they go to their 30th choice!

I am sorry to be such a downer, but I feel that we are being mistreated (lead-on) by this department.

Anonymous

March 24 2010, 19:43:13 UTC 6 years ago

Draw whatever conclusions you like from UWM's admissions practices. Here is what I think (from experience and educated guessing).

UWM is a decent but not great state school. The graduate school expects the Phil Department to fill up its allotted number of students. Moreover, it's very important that these spots are filled by *good* students. Not only does this matter for placement, which in turn affects department funding, but also for departmental funding based on overall student quality (understood in terms of pedigree, scores, etc...--shit that the graduate school can grasp). If the department doesn't fill all of these assigned spots with good students, I would guess that the graduate school may pull back on funding. This also makes it likely that the admissions person in the department will want to get a "feel" for whether the potential admittee/fundee will accept if offered so as to have a high offer-to-accept ratio to show to the graduate school (even if somewhat duplicitous).

Now how does this translate into such a ridiculously huge wait list? It's because so many people UWM admits get into good PhD programs. Since UWM is a better MA program, this low offer acceptance rate is all the more likely than at a good, but not great, MA program.

From these sorts of observations I conclude that UWM is doing their best to have a strong set of students against aggravating institutional constraints. I don't think it's a matter of douchiness, intentional desire to aggravate applicants, etc...